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Payday Loan Laws Limit Our Freedoms

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« on: August 11, 2008, 08:32:39 pm »

A very popular and ever increasing industry in America is the Payday Loan industry. For those who don't know, a payday loan facility loans the patron a certain amount of money, for  fee as a short term loan, to be paid back on the patrons "payday" (or close to that time).

The fee for this service is deemed exorbitant by many lawmakers and is capped at over 300% APR. This means that a three hundred dollar loan for a two week period of time would cost the patron $45.

In the banking world, this kind of interest is unheard of and lawmakers around the country are rallying to create state laws to strictly regulate this industry.

Although it is hardly arguable that the interest rate that payday loan companies charge is extremely high. However, this kind of service cannot be viewed as a banking service in the traditional sense.

The loans provided by these companies are extremely short term; typically two weeks or less and at a 30% APR similar to what banks charge, these companies will go broke.

Just as segments of the banking industry does, the payday loan companies serve a consumer who's credit is shot and do not have access to normal means of credit. As such, the payday loan companies, also like normal banks, charge more money because the RISK is much higher among these consumers.

While the States argue that the fees charged by Payday loan companies are exorbitant, they fail to recognize that banks charge much more than Payday loan companies.

If you borrow $300 from a payday loan company, you will repay about $45 in approximately two weeks. If you get a credit card with bad credit, from a normal bank, you will receive an interest rate of at least 30% and a minimum monthly payment of $12. Of that $12, approximately $4.52 will go toward interest.

When a person pays the minimum payment to the bank for a credit card at 30% APR, it will take 4 years and 3 months to pay off and will cost the consumer approximately $230...or almost 77% of the original loan amount.

This amount is above and beyond the annual membership fees, late fees and over the limit fees that these banks charge.

So how is it that the Payday loan companies are "predatory" and the banks that issue credit cards to high risk consumers are just fine?

In actuality, the Payday companies are far less predatory than the banks when it comes to dealing with the high risk credit consumer. At least the Payday loan companies are extremely short term and force the consumer to get out of debt quickly.

Check out your credit card interest rates here: http://credit-cards.interest.com/content/calculators/credit_card_minimum_payment_calculator.asp

The banks however, have a much stronger, much deeper lobbying effort and command the attention of the politicians as they have for years. The payday loan companies are getting into the pockets of the banks and the banks want it to stop. THAT is why the politicians are passing the new regulations.

Aside of the hypocrisy of the laws currently being passed against the Payday loan companies, there are also jobs that are being lost as a result of these new laws. In Ohio alone, over 6000 jobs are at risk.

In addition, and most importantly, what happened to an individuals right to do with their money what they choose? What happened to personal responsibility?

This is just another way the Government restricts the free market, limits personal freedom all in the name of JUSTICE and PROTECTIONISM.

THIS is EXACTLY how Socialism plants its deadly roots and the everyday person thinks nothing of it in America.

Socialism in indoctrinated fractionally into our society. It isn't brought about by MAJOR changes in society but MINOR ones.

THIS is one of them!

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« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2008, 03:59:13 pm »

Having dealt with many Military members who go into trouble with these institutions - I have no problems with the new laws going into effect. I always found it funny how these places were outside of EVERY military instillation I went to - along with "rent-to-own"..................................to help? Or to Screw 18 - 20 years-olds who really don't know any better? Ever notice how many are also around Collage Campuses? Just to be convenient...................................or to Target?

I have explained to my Children and to the Airmen who worked for me about predatory institutions - they don't always listen and most come out of High School with NO Clue for finances.

Maybe the question shouldn't be about Payday Loan Laws - but "Why isn't Congress looking at the Banking institutions???"

You make many good points, but 18 - 25 year-olds CANNOT think like 40 year-olds......................................and getting in trouble at 30% will do NOTHING to help their future credit..................................


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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2008, 10:24:09 pm »

People should be able to decide whether to use this type of loans or not. Not the government. If young adults make the mistakes of getting trapped in them then they will have to learn their lessons just like the rest of the world.

It doesn't make sense to say that young adults can choose to face gun fire but not be able to choose to borrow money in a certain way. How long are we supposed to raise the children?
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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2008, 04:27:05 pm »

It doesn't make sense to say that young adults can choose to face gun fire but not be able to choose to borrow money in a certain way. How long are we supposed to raise the children?
Yup - and give them all bottles of Whiskey and Condoms...............................................I'm sure MADD and the parents who have buried their children because of a drunk driver would agree that we should set NO limits on anyone for any thing once they turn 18..................................HELLO!!!! McFly!!!!!

You have $$$$Billions spent on advertising to entice people to spend money that they don't have...............and allot of older adults who don't do a great job at this - WHY compound the problems and make it easier for them to get in to trouble? Have you spent much time with 18 – 20 year-olds? Not that my Daughter married a rocket scientist – but she sent him to the “rent-to-own” store for a washer and dryer……………..and he came back with a 52” projection TV……………………I’ve seen sales people do this way too often – preying on the younger adults (by # of birthdays only)…………………back in the day most of these crooks would have been shot – not protected by the law………..

Maybe we could give guns to all 18 year-olds, stick 10 – 15 in a room and figure the one who walks out will have learned enough lessons to make it in life? As long as someone profits – what’s the harm?
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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2008, 10:57:11 am »

payday loans are against the precepts of every major religion on the planet.  I have no problem saying that this is purely a 'freedom' issue, as long as you are a purist and don't expect religion to inform any political thinking in the US.  If you think that the reason that the Bible and the Koran are both against usury.  I don't know the Koran but I do know that the biblical reasoning behind usury laws is to prevent the rich from preying on the poor. 

and payday lenders are the rich.  and the people who use these places are the uniformed poor.
28% return is actually much higher than any of the old usury laws were, and I think that 28% is a pretty solid return.
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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2008, 07:17:35 am »

Yes, and that is the same reasoning that is used to bail out the home mortgage crisis. Explain how that reasoning matches up with your claim to be a "fiscal" conservative?
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« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2008, 11:58:25 am »

Payday Loan and Title Loan places are a whitewashed version of loan sharks.   They should be outlawed as they prey on young  and/or uneducated people.   I can't tell you how many young people I know who unrealistically think they can pay back these loans before the excessive fees kick in.    Quickly they are drowning in debt and it is difficult to climb out.   

Rent To Own is another "business" who preys on the young and uneducated.   Unfortunately, in this time of bad credit, it is the only way some people can buy anything on payment.
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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2008, 12:29:27 pm »

Well we voted on the payday loan industry in AZ - and we turned down the changes that THEY suggested we make................................in 2010 if there are no changes, there will be no more payday loan industry in AZ.

Yes they have a purpose for a FEW people - but at 365% interest (if you carry out their 5 day interest rate to a full year), they are not here to help people.
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